Thetan and Identity

identityIndividuality is not something different from identity.

Individuality is an aspect of identity.

Anything that creates a unit

Is part of the identity of that unit.

If thetan is an awareness of awareness unit,

Then it is a bundled up awareness.

That bundled up awareness is an identity.

Thetan itself is an identity.

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In the book Scientology 8-8008, Hubbard wrote:

Identity versus Individuality
The most common confusion on the part of a preclear is between himself as an identified object and his beingness. One’s beingness depends upon the amount of space which he can create or command, not upon his identification or any label. Identity as we know it in the MEST universe is much the same as identification, which is the lowest form of thought. When one is an object and is himself an effect, he believes that his ability to be cause is dependent upon his having a specific and finite identity. This is an aberration; as his beingness increases his individuality increases, and he quickly rises above the level of necessity for identity for he is himself self-sufficient with his own identity.
The first question a preclear undergoing theta clearing asks himself is quite often: “How will I establish my identity if I have no body?” There are many remedies for this. The worst method of having an identity is having a body. As his individuality increases and his beingness expands—these two being almost synonymous—he is less and less concerned with this problem; that he is concerned with the problem tells the auditor where he is on the tone-scale.
One of the control mechanisms which has been used on thetans is that when they rise in potential they are led to believe themselves one with the universe. This is distinctly untrue. Thetans are individuals. They do not as they rise up the scale, merge with other individualities. They have the power of becoming anything they wish while still retaining their own individuality. They are first and foremost themselves. There is evidently no Nirvana. It is the feeling that one will merge and lose his own individuality that restrains the thetan from attempting to remedy his lot. His merging with the rest of the universe would be his becoming matter. This is the ultimate in cohesiveness and the ultimate in affinity, and is at the lowest point of the tone-scale. One declines into a brotherhood with the universe. When he goes up scale, he becomes more and more an individual capable of creating and maintaining his own universe. In this wise (leading people to believe they had no individuality above that of MEST) the MEST universe cut out all competition.

Hubbard threw a curve by describing individuality as something good and identity as something bad. He derided the goal of Nirvana in Buddhism. Nirvana is to extinguish self or individuality.

Being a fundamental datum of Scientology, this worship of individuality puts up a filter that distorts the subject of Scientology. Even though, Scientology contains some brilliant new technology to address the subject of mind, it ends up producing “scientologists who are assimilated into the world view of Hubbard as its valuable final product:

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Comments

  • MarkNR  On December 11, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    It is my observation, with no objective proof, that the Thetan is not within the physical universe. The physical universe is within the Thetan.

    • vinaire  On December 11, 2013 at 8:31 AM

      In my opinion, Thetan is a condensation from Theta, just like a particle is a condensation from wave.

      There is no physical universe per se. There is spiritual-physical universe. Spiritual and physical are alike the characteristics of this universe.

      It is an error to look at physical and spiritual as two separate universes. These two aspects cannot be separated from each other just like software cannot be separated from hardware.

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      • MarkNR  On December 11, 2013 at 9:55 PM

        In my view, “We are all as a shattered glass, wanting to be again whole.” But once we have tasted individuality and interaction, it is held on to with passion. These two basic wants produce an eternal inconsistency that is the flavor, beauty, and variety of life.
        Mark

        • Chris Thompson  On December 11, 2013 at 10:04 PM

          MNR: But once we have tasted individuality and interaction, it is held on to with passion.

          CT: Like a drunk “on the wagon,” I am trying to get over this type of passion. I must be a little bit communist at this point. LOL

        • MarkNR  On December 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM

          These two things, individuality and oneness, interacting and conflicting are a MAJOR source of, well, everything.

        • Chris Thompson  On December 11, 2013 at 10:26 PM

          LOL! Precisely.

  • Chris Thompson  On December 11, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    Vinay: Individuality is not something different from identity.

    Chris: And neither is individuation different. This is a great inconsistency in the subject of Scientology that the individual is exalted while individuation is abhorred.

  • vinaire  On December 11, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    Rafael On December 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM
    Chris: This is a great inconsistency in the subject of Scientology that the individual is exalted while individuation is abhorred.

    R: That seems to be one of the basic foundations of the church of scientology.

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    Chris Thompson On December 11, 2013 at 1:12
    Yes brother and I don’t know how I blocked that dissonance from my mind for years of participation. The fact that I did that is so troubling to me in present time that it makes me wonder what and how much I am blocking cognitive dissonance from my current state of mind. Seriously, what primrose path am I currently walking?

    Answer: Tautology. The primrose path that we might walking is always one. We do what makes sense to us and while we do it, it makes sense and then later it doesn’t and we go, “Oh, how could I?”

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  • vinaire  On December 11, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    For me the great revelation has been that individuality is part of the identity. There are as many individualities as there are identities.

    Is there a free will? Will it be free of individuality and identity?

    • Chris Thompson  On December 11, 2013 at 10:27 PM

      Vinaire: Is there a free will? Will it be free of individuality and identity?

      Chris: Only within our programmed parameters.

      • vinaire  On December 11, 2013 at 10:39 PM

        LOL! You just answered to Geir’s essay .

        http://isene.me/free-will/

        • Chris Thompson  On December 11, 2013 at 11:34 PM

          I have changed and no longer use the same assumptions that I used to.

        • Chris Thompson  On December 11, 2013 at 11:45 PM

          I do see a design of sorts in the universe but not the model I was taught. I’m not going to know for a while what I mean by that our how to put it into words for a while. I just see myself going in a different vector that I used to. I’m excited by what the future might hold. This is another reason I need to learn the maths. My new faith is that I live in a universe that maths can describe. If I ever am to understand what the great ones have written, I am going to have to read it in their native tongue of maths. if one day I should be inspired or if I can inspire my children I may need to write it in maths.

    • MarkNR  On December 11, 2013 at 10:53 PM

      The problem is with stuck, so called reactive (place your adjective here), invented, assumed and then forgotten identities. It just doesn’t do to ‘be’ a Cavalry Major or School Headmaster when consoling your wife after a long day at work. Be in present time with all the knowledge of the past.
      Mark

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