Desire, Will and “I”

Desire is the point where it all begins. Will, as in “free will”, is the course taken by Desire.

As far as Desire goes, there is only one choice, and that is to follow the desire. But as far as the course that can be taken to fulfill the desire is concerned, there is infinity of choices that can be made.

Desire may choose a single fixed course. The universe is an example of this. The universe seems to be completely governed its desire to evolve. As it evolves, it solidifies through its complexity. The beingness and behavior of the physical aspect of the universe, is pretty much fixed and predictable.  The only choices available are those within these laws, which are being exploited by Science to obtain physical comforts.

The course becomes increasingly fixed as it is directed.

But the Desire that is exploiting the physical universe has to be highly capable of imagination. In other words, it should be capable of making choices in an unconstrained fashion in the course of its investigation of the physical universe. The beingness and behavior of such a Desire would be highly variable and unpredictable. It will make its own laws as needed and will then discard them.

The beingness or “I” comes about as a result of Desire. The nature of “I” depends on the course that the Desire takes in search for its fulfillment. The “will” tends to be associated with “I”. But both “will” and “I”, whether free or constrained ultimately depend on Desire.

Do you really possess free will?

Well, check the desire that is being manifested as “you” and the course it is taking. If “you” represents a very inventive Scientist, such as, Edison, then “you” is exercising a lot of free will. But if “you” represents a cockroach, then that “you” is capable of exercising little free will.


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  • anonymuse  On July 30, 2010 at 7:38 AM

    I will desire, not “desire will I”.

    (Or maybe that’s possible too.)

    There can’t be no desire where there isn’t a will behind it and there can’t be a will without anyone behind it.

    (Or maybe it can.)

    Where there’s a will, there’s always a way. (Bob Marley)

    And there has to be someone to will to see / follow / walk that way.

    (Or not.)


    • vinaire  On July 30, 2010 at 7:53 AM

      “I will desire”… ha ha! Didn’t look at it that way. Maybe that has been the problem. Or, is it?



  • anonymuse  On July 30, 2010 at 8:48 AM

    Yes. Is it really a real problem? =)


  • anonymuse  On August 25, 2010 at 5:29 AM

    Osho gave a talk about Will & Desire.
    Do you know his work? Is your work based on any of his teachings?

    I am pretty sure you based yourself in a few ‘masters’ to do what you’re doing here; who are they?

    It would be good to know.


    • vinaire  On August 25, 2010 at 7:06 AM

      I know of Osho but I haven’t studied him in detail. All I have studied is the following:
      (1) Indian scriptures from ancient sources
      (2) Swami Vivekananda
      (3) Some Buddhism
      (4) Hubbard’s interpretation of Eastern philosophy.
      (5) On line discussions



  • anonymuse  On August 25, 2010 at 7:29 AM

    Thank’s =)

    There is a site with the complete downloadable book collection of Osho and other masters (I can give it to you if you want). I have been reading him (among others) over the years and now it seems pretty clear to me that Hubbard based a lot of his work on Osho.
    Perhaps you should see it with your own eyes. You will probably realize that all of Hubbard’s work is completly discardable and stupidifying and intricated complexity from things seen and said by others, including contemporaries, like Osho and perhaps Alan Watts too.


    • vinaire  On August 25, 2010 at 12:25 PM

      I have a long reading list that is pending. Osho is part of it. Ivan is a big fan of Osho. He gave me the link to Osho’s materials that you are talking about.

      However, I am simply interested in knowledge regardless of its source. I do my own evaluation of any knowledge that I come across.



  • anonymuse  On August 25, 2010 at 1:05 PM

    I know you are not interested in the source but if you are doing this for OTHERS and not for you, you should put yourself in their skin and seeing things from their viewpoint in order to reach them, and people do give importance to where the information comes from…


  • anonymuse  On August 25, 2010 at 1:07 PM

    Besides, there is so much more bad info on Hubbard and Scn than good, that maybe it will decrease the level of attention given by people to this work. But this is only my opinion, as limited and limiting as an opinion can be.

    Hugs Vinaire


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