KHTK Axiom #3 and Scientology

Motion

In Scientology we have,

FACTOR 3: The first action of beingness is to assume a viewpoint.

FACTOR 4: The second action of beingness is to extend from the viewpoint, points to view, which are dimension points.

FACTOR 5: Thus there is space created, for the definition of space is: viewpoint of dimension. And the purpose of a dimension point is space and a point of view.

Thus, in Scientology we have the idea of a Cause deciding to be, and then assuming a viewpoint to generate space. A lot of mechanics is assumed here before space comes about.

However, any mechanics involves motion, and if motion is there then space and time are already there. Thus, there seems to be an inherent contradiction in the above hypothesis presented in Scientology.

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Mindfulness and Science lead us to the following axiom.

KHTK Axiom #3: Awareness of motion is composed of space and time.

Awareness arises and disappears with relative motion. This motion manifests as space and time in our awareness.

Thus, space and time are aspects of motion. It is incorrect to think that motion derives from space and time.

The Factors of Scientology state that a Cause creates space through some mechanics and then, through more mechanics, it brings about motion.

Such hypothesis of Scientology is unnecessarily complicated and questionable.

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Comments

  • vinaire  On November 3, 2013 at 7:36 AM

    It is interesting that what I am critiquing in Scientology, is also a critique of Christian ideology.

    • Chris Thompson  On November 3, 2013 at 9:09 AM

      Yes but which religion is it not a critique of?

      • vinaire  On November 3, 2013 at 9:34 AM

        That is true. Buddhism is more of an eastern metaphysics. It was not intended as a religion by Buddha.

  • vinaire  On November 3, 2013 at 7:43 AM

    To me, consistency must continue from physics to metaphysics. Any contradictions or inconsistencies must be sorted out to expose arbitrary assumptions.

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  • 2ndxmr  On November 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    V: “Thus, in Scientology we have the idea of a Cause deciding to be, and then assuming a viewpoint to generate space. A lot of mechanics is assumed here before space comes about.”

    Awareness can make space. It may be the only thing that can make space.

    This becomes understandable after you have exteriorized around your body. That space is not just space you are aware of through body senses, it is space you are aware of because you have made it and occupy it.

    The degree of awareness that YOU have of that space as opposed to the body is a function of level of awareness i.e. the ability to tune into the wavelengths of the occupied space. This ability to span wavelength is no different than the idea of a single band (like AM) radio compared to a multi-band (AM, FM, SSB…etc.) radio: the more bands you are capable of tuning into, especially concurrently, the greater will be your non-body awareness of your space.

    A poor radio, with work, can be made better. A good radio can be damaged. Awareness isn’t much different.

    The key thing is the concept of space. That is the primary limiter you are running into in your deductive reasoning. At this point in time we may have very limited scientific proof of this (a quantified measure of space), but that is a function of science’s radios not being able to tune to a high enough band, not that the band doesn’t exist. At this point in time science is orders of magnitude away from being able to tune to just the shorter wavelengths of this universe, and those are still long compared to a near zero wavelength.

    The next concept to grasp is magnitude.

    There is no limit to the vector value (magnitude) of space. It could go from zero to any vast amount. This universe does seem to have an observable boundary defined by the furthest-most galaxies. The bubble of space this universe is in could extend any amount past our current boundaries.

    There is no hard stuff in “mass”. There is no hard “particle”. Mass comes down to an interaction of fields, and fields ultimately come down to massless waves which come down to variations in space.

    Space, in a variety of configurations and wavelengths, is the fabric of all “stuff”‘.

    The making of space is the fundamental ability of awareness.

    Time is related to the RATE of making space i.e. the number of meters/second, the number of square meters/second and the number of cubic meters/second.

    Nothing else need define time: time can be defined in terms of space.

    Mass can be defined in terms of space.

    Length, width and height can be defined in terms of space.

    Referring back to your blog on Universes, it was there that I presented this summation of the physics terms i.e. all the cosmological constants can be defined in terms of space, time and mass.

    This summation takes it through to the conclusion that all can be described in terms of space and changing space.

    Awareness can make that space and changing space.

  • vinaire  On November 3, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    2ndxmr: “Awareness can make space. It may be the only thing that can make space.”

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    Vin: I am not so sure about that. I need proper substantiation for that assertion. From my personal experience, there is no awareness when there is no relative motion.

    In human life we are always surrounded by relative motion, and, therefore, there is awareness.

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  • vinaire  On November 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    2ndxmr: “This becomes understandable after you have exteriorized around your body. That space is not just space you are aware of through body senses, it is space you are aware of because you have made it and occupy it.”

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    Vin: I have many questions here:

    1. What is exteriorization? What is it that is exterior to the body?

    2. What is a thetan? Saying that it is “you” is ambiguous because there are a lot of mental phenomena involved here. Does thetan have a location?

    3. Is the body one sees when exteriorized the same as the physical body? Has this been determined with any certainty?

    4. Couldn’t the body be sensing itself in exteriorization?

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  • vinaire  On November 3, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    2ndxmr: “The degree of awareness that YOU have of that space as opposed to the body is a function of level of awareness i.e. the ability to tune into the wavelengths of the occupied space. This ability to span wavelength is no different than the idea of a single band (like AM) radio compared to a multi-band (AM, FM, SSB…etc.) radio: the more bands you are capable of tuning into, especially concurrently, the greater will be your non-body awareness of your space.”

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    Vin: It is difficult for me to separate awareness from body.

    The awareness of static is relative only. There is no absolute static. Thus, static is not separate from the kinetic of MEST. It is the same thing viewed differently.

    MEST is not produced by THETA as assumed in Scientology. The awareness of THETA and MEST is a phenomenon of relativity. The same thing which is viewed as THETA may also be viewed as MEST and vice versa.

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