The Logic of Reality

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Scientology treats “Static” as an absolute. That is logically inconsistent because that makes “static” a singularity. There is no singularity in a logically consistent system. The “static” is as temporary as anything else. It appears momentarily at the end of a cycle of the universe and before the start of the next cycle.

But this “Static” of Scientology is derived from Aristotle’s “Unmoved Mover.” The idea of “Unmoved Mover” is logically inconsistent, but it is assumed to be above logic by Aristotle.

The ideas of “Yahweh,” “God,” and “Allah” seem to have their basis in the idea of “Unmoved Mover.”

This makes the logic of “Western mind” fundamentally pinned on a logical inconsistency.

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The “Eastern mind” subscribes to the premise that reality is logically consistent at all levels.

There are no absolutes (singularities) in a logically consistent system.

Thus, in the ultimate sense, reality is circular because any linearity implies an absolute starting point.

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The “western mind” seems to find it very disconcerting that its ultimate basis might not be absolute.

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  • 2ndxmr  On July 24, 2015 at 3:35 PM

    V:”Thus, in the ultimate sense, reality is circular because any linearity implies an absolute starting point.”

    You may be interested to know that this is also a premise of modern string theory (ST).

    The attached vid brings together many of the concepts you and I have put forth and discussed. John Hagelin is an advanced meditator who is also an advanced quantum physicist. He makes quite a few references to Hindu concepts similar to, or the same as those you have proposed.

    Also described in the vid, and especially relevant to my starting comment, is the description of the ST model of looped strings.

    Since my filter is to look at knowledge as to how it relates to a construction built of space fabric there are things he says that I’d reinterpret slightly to fit my model, but overall I thought it was an impressive vid.

    My biggest complaint about his dissertation was that he made no reference to a model for memory. I decided to watch another vid featuring him in an interview and in that one he does come up with an ST predicted model that has a characteristic very applicable to a quantized memory. I’ll post a link to that later.

  • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 3:49 PM

    2nd: “The attached vid brings together many of the concepts you and I have put forth and discussed.”

    I do not take any credit as it unnecessarily adds ego. The attention should be fully on observations and logical associations among those observations regardless of who or what first came up with it. Let the history take care of who is to be credited.

  • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 4:31 PM

    Consciousness is not the ultimate reality. It is a much later development. Please see The Logical Structure of the Universe (Part 3) – Space to Human Consciousness
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  • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 4:43 PM

    Looks like Physics has moved forward in the sequence

    Classical Mechanics
    Quantum Mechanics (for undedrstanding of atoms)
    Quantum Field Theory (for understanding of fundamental particles)
    Unified Quantum Field Theory

    But it has dived into mathematics and it is dependent on the postulates of mathematics.
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  • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 4:48 PM

    This Unified Quantum Field Theory (UQFT) is assuming some kind of intelligence at the basis of universe. This is human centric thinking. Whatever is at the basis of the universe, it is not human type intelligence, which is a much later development.
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    • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 6:32 PM

      This assumption of intelligence at the foundation of existence is the Achilles heel of UQFT.

      UQFT is a linear theory.
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  • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 5:04 PM

    Has UQFT realized yet that the universe is oscillating Static-Kinetic-Static and back like a pendulum, and that there is no absolute starting point of the universe?

    In static state the energy is completely potential. This energy starts to become kinetic (manifested) as the universal oscillation proceeds from static toward kinetic. What is called “Dark Energy” is actually potential energy of universal nature, which is gradually manifesting itself as kinetic. Manifestation occurs in a dimension that stretches from concrete to abstract. Of course, the fundamental property is that of vibration or oscillation which extends even to the universe as a whole. String is nothing but a metaphor for all the ways that the vibration of manifested kinetic energy is taking form.

    • marildi  On July 24, 2015 at 5:47 PM

      Vin: “Has UQFT realized yet that the universe is oscillating Static-Kinetic-Static and back like a pendulum, and that there is no absolute starting point of the universe?”

      I think that has been 2ndxmr’s theory at least as far back as he posted it on Geir’s a few years ago.

      It also seems that this CONTINUOUS back and forth between Static and Kinetic was what LRH was talking about in the Axioms where he wrote:

      “IS-NESS is an apparency of existence brought about by the continuous alteration of an AS-IS-NESS. This is called, when agreed upon, Reality.”

      • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 6:19 PM

        I question Hubbard’s Factor #1:

        “Before the beginning was a cause and the entire purpose of the cause was the creation of effect.”

        Ref: https://vinaire.me/2012/10/23/scientology-factor-1/
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        • marildi  On July 24, 2015 at 6:21 PM

          Is this a test of my TR3? 🙂

        • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 6:26 PM

          Hubbard looked at the time track as something linear with a beginning. Factor #1 supports that.

        • 2ndxmr  On July 24, 2015 at 8:06 PM

          V:”Hubbard looked at the time track as something linear with a beginning. Factor #1 supports that.”

          You also cannot prove that there wasn’t a starting event. You are simply following the Hindu assumption of Brahman being always and eternal. That requires re-examination in light of things we now know.

          I think it is as simple, or simpler, to assume that space could have spontaneously appeared in the void than that it always was.

          Neither can be proven but I would say my conjecture is more consistent with the way we see things work, creativity being just one example of spontaneous occurrence (something rocks can’t do).

        • vinaire  On July 27, 2015 at 7:20 AM

          The obvious starting event is one’s fundamental premise. I have one too. It is about the harmonic states of the universe under the influence of Brahma. But for me that premise is not absolute.

          I believe that further improvements in the premise may occur. When that moment comes it would be something for me to celebrate. I do not quite know the fundamental premise that you are operating on, and how I can learn from that premise. The consideration that “space spontaneously appeared from the void” is actually covered by my premise if you familiarize yourself with the following reference.

          https://vinaire.me/2015/07/02/the-logical-structure-of-the-universe-part-1/

          There is no space in the state of static. Then as the new cycle starts space appears as “EMR” of zero frequency, infinite wavelength and indefinite period.
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    • 2ndxmr  On July 24, 2015 at 7:57 PM

      V:”What is called “Dark Energy” is actually potential energy of universal nature, which is gradually manifesting itself as kinetic. Manifestation occurs in a dimension that stretches from concrete to abstract.”

      I might say that a bit differently, but I would agree if we define the “dimension that stretches from concrete to abstract” as the geometries of the space fabric (the abstract part) that go from the geometries making up elementary particles (hence atoms, molecules and all that is concrete) right down to the non-geometric space of the awareness unit (again, the abstract but not needing geometry).

  • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 6:43 PM

    UQFT is assuming multi-universes in the beginning. It is looking at the time track as linear. To me that is logical inconsistency.

    • marildi  On July 24, 2015 at 6:49 PM

      I’ve watched about a third of that video 2X posted and, so far, I get that it is not assuming multi-universes in the beginning. I’m going to watch the rest of it later and then check back with you guys. Expect a “pop” quiz. 😀

      • marildi  On July 24, 2015 at 6:52 PM

        I should clarify – UQFT is not assuming multi-universes in the beginning of THIS physical universe.

    • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 6:51 PM

      I obviously heard it differently than you did. Check out the video at 9:50.
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      • marildi  On July 25, 2015 at 3:26 AM

        Okay, Vin, I listened to that section of the vid again. At about 8:50, he’s talking about the unified field, describing it as the ocean of rising waves of vibrations “that appear as THE UNIVERSE.” Then he says that it (THE universe) produces bubbles of “baby universes”. However, I don’t think he mentions anything about “in the beginning”.

        • vinaire  On July 25, 2015 at 5:09 AM

          What he is calling “baby universes” should be looked upon as subsets of the UNIVERSE. His terminology is confusing.

  • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 6:50 PM

    Meditation is simply looking at everything objectively, and that includes looking at mind, perceptions, emotions, ideas and thoughts objectively. The idea of “going inward” simply means that.

  • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 6:58 PM

    What John Hagelin is talking about as “pure beingness” or “pure consciousness” would be “space full of potential” in the KHTK model.

  • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    In KHTK Model the Seer is the Seen. The primordial awareness is the “space full of potential”. The awareness develops just as this space develops with its potential gradually becoming kinetic.

    The pendulum metaphor serves quite well here.

  • vinaire  On July 24, 2015 at 7:06 PM

    John is referring to beginning Patanjali Sutras.

    This is a very brief summary of Patanjali Yoga Sutras from the chapter on Samadhi Pada.

    (1:01 – 1:04)

    Patanjali states that the ideal state is the Seer being established in his own essential and fundamental nature.

    Modifications to this nature bring about a departure from the ideal state.

    Yoga restores the Seer to his ideal state by reducing those modifications.

    Ref: https://vinaire.me/2014/10/29/patanjali-sutras-chapter-1/

    For a detailed explanation, please see: https://vinaire.me/2013/06/16/patanjali-11-12/
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