Axioms of Reason

I wrote the following on Chris Thompson’s Blog:

I plan to try out the following for size…

In response, my good friend Maria wrote the following:

I can`t help thinking that there is a set of underlying axioms…

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Here are the Axioms of Reason:

  1. The Inquiry is into the truth
  2. By truth is meant what is; such is the perception of spirit
  3. Truth is all there is or can be; such is the perception of universality
  4. Truth is indivisibility; such is the perception of unity
  5. Truth is unchangeableness; such is the perception of permanence
  6. Truth is eternity; such is the perception of presence
  7. Truth is not cause or effect; such is the perception of freedom
  8. Truth must be just what it is and nothing else whatsoever; such perception of the inevitable is the power of truth
  9. Truth is individuality; such is the perception of humanity
  10. Truth is God; such is the perception of divinity
  11. Truth is good; such is the perception of satisfaction
  12. Truth is intelligence; such is the perception of mind
  13. Truth is not matter; such is the perception of substance
  14. Truth is love; such is the perception of bliss
  15. Truth is life; such is illumination
  16. Besides truth there is nothing; such is the perception of nature and creation
  17. Axiom of Assumption: Truth, even as an illusion, is still absolute; such is the perception of reflection

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I am very happy with the request from Maria to post these axioms on my blog for discussion, because it forwards the purpose of this blog. I am very much looking forward to the discussion in accordance with the discussion policy.

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Comments

  • Maria  On November 8, 2012 at 4:04 PM

    I am quite thrilled with the discussion so far! Better than I had ever hoped!

    • vinaire  On November 8, 2012 at 4:18 PM

      That is what happens when the discussion policy is followed, and all attention is on looking at the subject. 😉

      Everybody is at their best behavior, as it should be.

      🙂

  • vinaire  On November 8, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    Seriously, Maria, I am happy to know that I have a satisfied customer in you.

    By the way, in half an hour or so I shall be leaving for a job interview. Hopefully, it will be a less stressful job, just 5 minutes away from my house. So, my retirement may come to an abrupt end. I really enjoyed my past one month or so. I spent all the gas money I saved, on my visits to Starbucks.

    I may not be spending that much time on this blog if I get the job, but this blog is at your disposal. There won’t be any monitoring as long as the Discussion Policy is being followed. If there are any offending posts, they would simply be deleted as soon as I notice them.

    Please be mindful and follow the scientific method of research.

    Have fun.

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    • Chris Thompson  On November 8, 2012 at 7:18 PM

      It would not be much of a job if they expect you to work and not blog . . . sheesh. I thought this all got settled at the election Tuesday night! You are now supposed to be on full time blogging with full pay and benefits. I may have to make a phone call to straighten this out.

      • vinaire  On November 8, 2012 at 7:28 PM

        LOL!. Do you know who is behind all this push?

        Are you going to call my wife? She thinks that I just sit on my ass in front of the computer, and don’t do any work, even when I clean the kitchen, keep the house in order, and do other chores.

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        • Chris Thompson  On November 8, 2012 at 8:56 PM

          Thanks for nuthin Vinaire. Can you please can it? My wife reads this blog and now I can hear it already, “Vinaire finds time to help around the house!” Great. Thanks. I had a pretty good thing going over here but I think you just loused it up!

        • Maria  On November 8, 2012 at 9:15 PM

          See Chris! I told you it was different for women! LOL!

        • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 4:43 AM

          Well, I made some of that up to impress all who read this blog. But I do take care of the cat.

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        • Chris Thompson  On November 9, 2012 at 8:59 AM

          That’s more like it! hahaha

        • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 4:57 AM

          Maria! Women are tender but certain aspects of them are very fearsome.

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        • Chris Thompson  On November 9, 2012 at 9:00 AM

          Especially the parts around their tempers and claws…

        • Maria  On November 9, 2012 at 12:40 PM

          LOL!

        • Chris Thompson  On November 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM

          Shelley, if you are reading this, I hope you can clearly see how fortunate you are to have a husband who blogs.

        • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM

          Alas! My wife never reads my blog!

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  • Maria  On November 8, 2012 at 9:25 PM

    VI. Truth is eternity; such is the perception of presence.

    The meaning or spirit of eternity is to be without beginning and duration and end, all which cannot be in truth because they mean changes and truth is permanence; so the changelessness of truth which we have perceived convinces us that truth must be utterly without origin and continuance and end, but is and must be what is meant by the word eternity.

    Time is never present but always absent in past or future, for if we try to pin to a present instant it has gone from future to past before we can secure any presence, and we are told by those experts in the refinement of perception that when they push too deeply into the meshes of time their consciousness slips from the thread of time and space into eternity, the only actual presence there is.

    Time and space are the two ways of looking at the same nonentity—that is, the illusion of change; motion or mutability finds its capacity in space and its measure in time, but the perception of truth as eternity shows us the now, the presence, in which there is no absence in either time or space.

    Such is the understanding of truth as the present eternity—permanent and universal.

    • Rafael  On November 8, 2012 at 11:19 PM

      I find this poetic to begin with, flowing nicely, and consistent with the earlier axioms.
      I’ll check the whole thing again in a new unit of time, and try to see from a different viewpoint, cause from this one I’m all good with it.

      • Maria  On November 9, 2012 at 1:21 AM

        Yes, pretty much the same for me too.

  • Maria  On November 9, 2012 at 10:00 AM

    VII. Truth is not cause or effect; such is the perception of freedom.

    Truth can have no cause since it has no beginning, therefore also truth is not an effect, and as there is not anything besides what is it must be that there is no such thing as cause and effect at all. There is therefore no reality in the law of cause and effect.

    Eternity is all and there is no creation at all. There is nothing besides the truth to hinder, bind, oppose it – no limits, no bounds, no laws, nothing against the truth; wherefore we say that the truth means freedom, and since the truth is all, there is no bondage at all.

    If bondage were truth it would be permanent and unescapable, so it would be unreasonable to teach freedom; the truth sets us free because in reality we are free now; if we were really bound the knowledge of the truth would establish us in our bonds, but the illumined have ever announced that to know the truth means to be free, for in actuality we are eternally and unchangeably free now.

    • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM

      I wrote my views on Cause and Effect under Scientology Factor # 1 as follows:

      (1) “Beginning” implies the beginning of any manifestation. This includes the universe as an overall manifestation.

      (2)If Cause is postulated to be there before the beginning then the question arises, “Can Cause be there all by itself before its effect manifests itself?” An overall effect would be the creation of the universe.

      (3) If the answer is “yes” then Cause will be a manifestation on its own right, and the question then becomes, “What is the cause of the Cause?” This logic inevitably leads to an endless chain of causes, and the beginning keeps getting pushed back earlier and earlier.

      (4) If the answer is “no” then the Cause must occur simultaneously with effect. “Cause-effect” would then be part of the same manifestation at the beginning. One may say that God and Universe would appear simultaneously as a pair.

      (5) One tries to fix the dilemma in (3) by postulating “Uncaused cause.” But this postulate appears to be self-contradictory and simply a device of convenience.

      (6) Thus, CAUSE seems to be part of the created considerations. This seems to be consistent with the idea that TIME itself would start at the beginning.

      (7) Thus, there would be no such thing as “before the beginning.”

      (8) Thus, CAUSE is part of a system of interdependent considerations. It is part of the creation like anything else. There is no linear chain of considerations as implied by the factor above.

      (9) The idea “before the beginning” would then be a projection that is created after the fact of beginning. Thus, the idea of God as the Creator would appear after the fact of Creation.

      (10) The assumption that CAUSE, a consideration in itself, can be separated from, and can be extended beyond, the system of considerations it generates, seems to be the basic inconsistency.

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  • Maria  On November 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM

    Vinaire: do you understand the math on this?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_at_infinity

    I am wondering if it has bearing on this.

    My understanding of this is very weak.

    • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 4:18 PM

      No. I have to sit and ponder over it, but that will go into my “to do” list for now.

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    • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 6:00 PM

      The first sentence of this Wikipedia articles states:

      “The point at infinity, also called ideal point, of the real number line is a point which, when added to the number line yields a closed curve called the real projective line,”

      They are postulating a point at the boundary of infinity, but by definition infinity has no boundary. So I see it as an approximation like rounding off a number, such as PI, for practical purposes that may be useful for projection in Geometry under certain circumstances. There are many things in mathematics like that. It is an inconsistency that is being tolerated under certain circumstances for practical reasons..

      This is how I see it.

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  • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    I am sure there is going to be an interesting response to the following:

    Marty comment-238631

    Marty comment-238632

    Marty comment-238643

    I know people are looking at Scientology Axiom #1 and Factor #1 on my blog. Even a “no response” would be significant, in the sense that people are having a hard time finding holes in those critiques.

    So far none of my posts have been censored on Marty’s blog. But that doesn’t mean anything.

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    • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 6:12 PM

      Here is another post I just made on Marty’s blog:

      Marty comment-238718

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      • Maria  On November 9, 2012 at 6:26 PM

        The last link above doesn’t go to the comment for some reason.

        • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 6:30 PM

          That is because the comment has not been released from moderation yet. But here is the comment:

          Personal use of Self Analysis by new public will require the use of mindfulness (a concept in Buddhism) as outlined here:

          MORE ON MINDFULNESS

          Please understand that this is not squirreling. This is the technology from Buddhism. Scientology is an extension of Buddhism.

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      • Chris Thompson  On November 9, 2012 at 7:36 PM

        I do not need to click that link to tell you that you will not receive an interesting response from the commenters on Marty’s blog.

        You tell me if I am wrong as there isn’t any inquiring into your subject matter going on at Marty’s blog. Marty’s blog is an enthusiasm rally for ex-COS Scientologists who are at loose ends and looking for like-minded Scientologists with whom to commune. Marty is avidly providing that, but it is not my interest.

        If you keep this up I may have to notify your wife and put a stop to this deliberate waste of valuable real blogging time. After all, no true research blogger would waste their time posting there.

        You haven’t been “drinking and blogging” againhave you?

        • Chris Thompson  On November 9, 2012 at 7:37 PM

          hehe

        • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 8:00 PM

          Please, please, please, don’t tell my wife. I’ll stop writing on Marty’s blog.

          By the way, so far today, I have had

          40 views on Scientology Axiom # 1 and a response from IdealOrg.

          18 views on Comments on Scientology Axioms 1, 2 and 3

          22 views on Scientology Factor # 1

          29 views on Home Page Archives.

          I am sure that majority of these are from Marty’s blog. But nobody is saying anything negative. So that is a good sign.

          I think that my blog has thoroughly confused them. 😉

          [I am updating these numbers till I go to bed.]

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        • Chris Thompson  On November 9, 2012 at 8:09 PM

          munch-munch-munch (sound of me eating my words.)

        • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 8:48 PM

          I got 1 thumb down on Scientology Axiom #1. (1 thumb up is mine, 1 is probably from IdealOrg)

          I got 2 thumbs down on Factor #1 (no thumbs up)

          But it is interesting that nobody so far has challenged me verbally.

        • Chris Thompson  On November 9, 2012 at 11:37 PM

          Patience Diogenes, you may find him yet.

      • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 11:50 PM

        Ah! I finally got some response to the Self Analysis comment… shows quite a mind set of “loyalty”.

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        • Chris Thompson  On November 10, 2012 at 12:05 AM

          . . . you left off “condescending superiority.” I’m not clicking on one of your “marty” links again. The results are too predictable and not in a good way.

          What I think now is you have a little of the Devil in you — and maybe you like to rub the cat’s fur the wrong way? haha

          Anyways, I gotta call it quits for the night gotta work early.

        • vinaire  On November 10, 2012 at 6:35 AM

          This is part of my study of EGOTISM. This is the best place to study it. 🙂

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        • Chris Thompson  On November 10, 2012 at 6:10 PM

          Well, yes it is.

  • Maria  On November 9, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    Are you trying to save them?

    • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 10:58 PM

      Save what? The comments are saved automatically.

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    • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 11:30 PM

      I am still puzzled by your question. You are not talking about such a silly thing as trying to save the scientologists on Marty’s blog, are you?

      If so, then, you have quite a sense of humor.

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    • Chris Thompson  On November 9, 2012 at 11:56 PM

      I maundered that thought as well, Maria. I just didn’t have as big of balls as you to ask the question! hahaha

  • Maria  On November 9, 2012 at 11:24 PM

    Ah, someone has typed up the Axioms of Reason by Burnell and published them online. That’s good — it means I don’t have to type them up any more.

    Here is the link:

    http://www.qm21.com/axioms.html

    • vinaire  On November 9, 2012 at 11:28 PM

      Oh! This is wonderful. Well done, Maria.

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  • Chris Thompson  On November 9, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    Of course! (I will soon be un-eating my words, maybe by morning)

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