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Research into Unknowable

Little question
October 17, 2014
The concept of Unknowable is better expressed as the non-awareness part of the “awareness – non-awareness” dichotomy. Please see Universe and Awareness.

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This space shall contain comments that pertain to research into unknowable:

From Maria (Ref. Knowable and Unknowable):

I understand what you are describing here.  It aligned extremely well with my past experience but it does not align with my own experience very accurately these days.  Probably the language, which becomes very clumsy.

There is a level beyond knowing that we can and do “experience.”  I cannot say “I”  experience it to even halfway accurately describe this.  It does not have any manifestation associated with it and “I” becomes a meaningless word.  What follows is the best description I can presently offer:

Knowing, perceiving, experiencing in this reality (in which I am typing) as me is never anything more than a perception of the past and with a successive series of present moments. They are successive ONLY in interchange and they are not particularly precise.  Even the future in this reality is already past.  It is already past because it was already created as what will be.  So there is really only now and then in this reality.

Simultaneously and always there is a true now.  It is NOT in the time stream.  It is the source of the time stream.  It is not past, present or “future.”  And this is where me goes beyond the limited being me.

While it is true that this state is not knowable in any “concrete” way, including concept, thought, mental images, physical forms, emotion, perception (bodily or otherwise) it is also true that it is a some kind of wellspring or source of these things. I don’t “know about” it.  “I” don’t “know” it.  I am and I am more than I am no fixed state and the words fail miserably.

I am sorry I cannot be more clear about this.  I assure you this is real, more real than any manifestation of anything and I love it beyond all things.  In my “self” it is a state of complete ease that often reflects into emotion as unbelievable joy, and from there into the body as lightness and brightness and sheer exuberance.

It is unknowable in the terms of this world, in terms of things, yes.  But it is real beyond all limited reality.

Vinaire’s comment:

“Unknowable” is just an enticing placeholder that dares one to challenge it. It postulates that there always will be something that is not known no matter how deep you may dive into it…. somewhat like an infinte series. It is quite an exciting concept for me.

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The “unknowable” is postulated simply to warn, “DO NOT REST AFTER DISCOVERING A STABLE DATUM. THERE IS NO LAST WORD.”

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A Bird’s Eye View

The moment something is manifested it is being.
It is the “beingness” of things that appears as existence.

We start with UNKNOWABLE.
Anything that is manifested becomes KNOWABLE.

Manifestation involves the factors of BEINGNESS and AWARENESS.
BE-ING-NESS is simply the fact of EXISTENCE.
This is referred to as ATMAN in Eastern religions.
AWARE-NESS is simply the fact of KNOWING.

Both BEINGNESS and AWARENESS are abstract concepts.
Abstract concepts evolve toward concrete forms.
BEINGNESS evolves into IDENTITIES.
AWARENESS evolves into VIEWPOINTS.

An identity with an ability to have a viewpoint is called a BEING.
This is referred to as SOUL in Western religions.
Thus, the concept of identity is inherent to the concept of SOUL.
The concept of identity is not part of the concept of ATMAN.
ATMAN is not the same thing as the SOUL.

THOUGHT underlies any manifestation.
Thus, thought underlies beingness, awareness, identity, viewpoint, being, etc.
“I”, “You,” “He” and “She” refers to beings.
Thus, thought underlies the formation of “I”, “You,” “He” and “She”.

THOUGHT is impersonal.
THOUGHT is senior to any BEING.

GOD is a label given to UNKNOWABLE.
GOD is then given an identity, even when
That identity is considered mysterious and beyond anything human.
GOD is considered to be the SUPREME BEING.

THOUGHT is senior to any BEING.
Therefore, THOUGHT must be senior to GOD also.

THOUGHT is impersonal.
THOUGHT is visualization.
THOUGHT comes about in an effort to know the unknowable.

Where does that THOUGHT come from?
Well… That is unknowable.

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