THETA & MEST

Hubbard
Reference: Scientology

The THETA-MEST Theory

“Theta is thought, life force, elan vital, the spirit, the soul, or any other of the numerous definitions it has had for some thousands of years… [It is] the energy peculiar to life which acts upon material in the physical universe and animates it, mobilizes it and changes it.” ~ Hubbard

To do justice to the above definition, one should have a good grasp of words like thought, life force, elan vital, the spirit, the soul, etc. Theta is the animation principle of a live body.

The body is made up of matter and energy that functions in space and time. This characteristic is abbreviated as MEST in Scientology. The body functions on its own. This aliveness of the body is referred to as THETA in Scientology.

THETA and MEST are the two primary aspects of life because, without them, there is no life. On a universal scale, THETA represents the spiritual dimension, and MEST represents the physical dimension. To call this universe the physical universe is a misnomer. This is a “spiritual-physical” universe.

THETA (spiritual) and MEST (physical) are two different aspects of this universe.

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“Theta is thought; an energy of its own universe analogous to energy in the physical universe but only occasionally paralleling electromagnetic-gravitic laws… [Theta is] an energy existing separate and distinct from the physical universe.” ~ Hubbard

I disagree with Hubbard in viewing THETA and MEST as two separate and distinct universes. In my view THETA and MEST are more like harmonics of each other in this universe.

In Quantum Mechanics, pure motion takes the form of a wave. As this wave motion encounters resistance, particle like properties, such as, discreteness, location and mass emerge. It is wave morphing into a particle, rather than wave producing a particle.

Wave + resistance (inertia) = particle

Similarly, it may be observed that as THETA encounters inconsistencies, MEST like properties, such as, concreteness emerge. It is THETA morphing into MEST, rather than THETA producing MEST.

THETA + inconsistency (disharmony) = MEST

THETA and MEST are relative harmonics of the same universe.

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In THETA-MEST THEORY Hubbard states:

Scientology is essentially a study of statics [theta] and kinetics [MEST]… it is dealing with a theoretical static and a theoretical kinetic which are at the opposite ends of a spectrum of all motion… It is now considered that the origin of MEST lies with theta itself, and that MEST, as we know the physical universe, is a product of theta.”

The above may be interpreted to mean that THETA creates MEST in the manner that God created the physical universe. This interpretation is inconsistent because one end of a spectrum does not create the other end.

In a spectrum, one end morphs in small gradients to become the other end. THETA and MEST are part of the same spectrum.

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The impreciseness of Hubbard shows up once again in the following statement.

“[Theta is] not a nothingness. It just happens to be an exterior thing to this universe—so you couldn’t talk about it in this universe’s terms.”

This universe is more than a “physical universe.” One can talk about THETA as an earlier harmonic of MEST in the dimension of Abstraction. The complete model of the universe may look something like the one described in the following essay.

A New Model of Universe

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Summary

Hubbard makes THETA and MEST very distinct from each other in his THETA-MEST theory. However, this generates inconsistency.

It is more consistent to view THETA and MEST as relative gradients on a spectrum. They are aspects of the same existence. They cannot be separated as motion cannot be separated from what is moving.

It seems that Hubbard expressed the idea of MEST being a product of THETA, almost as an afterthought. He could have been influenced by the earlier similar Christian idea of the spiritual God creating a physical universe.

In these ideas spirituality is assumed to exist independently from physicality. But in reality we observe that both spirituality and physicality make up this universe.

To call this universe a “physical” universe is a misnomer. This is a spiritual-physical universe.

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  • vinaire  On November 30, 2013 at 7:15 AM

    Currently, I am looking at the terms THETAN and INDIVIDUALITY as part of L10 process. It seems that many of these terms have to be understood fully to get the most out of L10.

    I shall like to know the various understandings that exist about these terms. Your thoughts are welcome.

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  • vinaire  On November 30, 2013 at 7:51 AM

    Here is a nice course for those who are interested in the details of Quantum Mechanics.

    http://online.stanford.edu/course/qmse01-quantum-mechanics-scientists-and-engineers

    However, my interest at the moment is to use Quantum Mechanics to understand the concepts of THETAN and INDIVIDUALITY better. I want to write my next post on this topic. I plan to introduce the Vector Model for SELF there.

    Under this topic all past understandings of soul, spirit, life force, elan vital, ghost. etc. may be discussed. It is quite a large topic indeed.

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    • 2ndxmr  On November 30, 2013 at 4:35 PM

      V:”…all past understandings of soul, spirit, life force, elan vital, ghost. etc. may be discussed.”

      I sense a blog with a spooky effect at a distance. 😉

      • vinaire  On November 30, 2013 at 6:08 PM

        LOL! We are getting into really sppoky territory here.

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      • vinaire  On November 30, 2013 at 6:08 PM

        One is in danger of as-ising oneself!

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  • vinaire  On November 30, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    Attention on SELF, either on oneself, or on the self of others, means to me that something on the subject of THETAN and INDIVIDUALITY needs to be resolved.

    L10 requires that these be resolved. So I shall be using the following procedure to understand these concepts.

    Mindful Subject Clearing

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  • MarkNR  On November 30, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    Vinaire:
    What I asked was:
    Are you skilled with a meter? It can be a useful tool. It does what it does, no more, no less.
    As you have gathered from my various comments, it is my method to use all methods to find truth, clarity and ability. I will not avoid any tool which produces positive results in my journey. Also, in my comments, you will notice that I am in it for the long haul. The time it takes to gain the skill to understand what a meter can and cannot do is but a blink of an eye. There were several times when I had found, what I thought, may have been the completion to a particular search, but the meter indicated to me that there may be more. I continued searching, found more and reached a greater understanding of the principal I was examining.
    To rely overly on a single tool would be, of course, foolish. To avoid anything valuable, to me, could be an equal error. Anything I find myself avoiding, I attack with vigor. Many of my greatest rewards have been gained in this manor. I no longer fear death, since I have gone over the attachments to bodies and the loss of them, especially the comm lines established during a life and the loss of them.. Implants were involved, but were not the basis for the related obsessions. I could not have resolved this area without a meter. I could not have resolved this area had I not known when the meter had lost it’s usefulness.
    I will leave no stone unturned and no skill or knowledge unused in my quest.
    These discussions on physics are very useful to me since I believe that to be fully free from the traps of life, one must master every aspect of it. To fully understand the physical universe, I must dig down to the basic intentions of it’s construct.
    Sorry to ramble,
    Mark

    • 2ndxmr  On December 1, 2013 at 12:37 AM

      @Mark
      I agree with what you see as the strengths and limitations of using an e-meter.

      I’ve been toying with the idea of getting one of the computer based meters. The big plus of those meters is the graphic charting of the measured resistance. This could be very helpful in a number of ways, but especially since it will give you a record of any decent sized read.

      My only trepidation is when reads cease to be decent sized. My needle is quite free but I expect one can run into things that will pack it up. At that point the extra visibility that can be had in an analogue needle can be very helpful. I ran into a couple examples of tight needles when I was in training at Flag and even passed my dating drill with a needle that scarcely moved. Picking up on meter motions that were that tiny would not be possible on the computer meter. Knowing that a needle can get that tight, even in a pc that is still breathing, is a sobering thought.

  • vinaire  On November 30, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    Here is my old e-meter, my children dug up from the closet today:

    emeter

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    • MarkNR  On November 30, 2013 at 11:06 PM

      Vin: Your meter.
      Just like my Dad’s.
      Mark

    • Chris Thompson  On December 1, 2013 at 12:18 AM

      When did they arrive with relation to your leaving the SO? How much a taste of Scn have they had?

      • vinaire  On December 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM

        (1) I ran into Dianetics and Scientology in 1969.
        (2) I joined Sea Org in 1971
        (3) I arrived on Flagship Apollo in 1972.
        (4) Most of the Apollo crew came to Fort Harrison in 1975-76 when Apollo was de-commisioned.
        (5) I was offloaded from Sea Org as “unfit” in 1983.

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    • marildi  On December 1, 2013 at 2:25 AM

      The Mark V was my first meter too. In the mission in 1978, I used it for M-1 co-audit and the NED Auditor Course, which at first was done before the Grades.

  • marildi  On December 1, 2013 at 2:18 AM

    2ndxmr: “By looking at the postulate strictly as an energy condensation and viewing that energy in a way that you understand it, or simply duplicate it, or whatever, it disappears. Along with the charge. Sometimes there is a picture stream, sometimes an additional cog that will be ‘word-able’, sometimes not word-able, but always the feeling of certainty that one more bit of plaque has been chipped off. Sometimes you are left just blown-out and wordless.”

    Thanks for saying that! In my auditing, I sometimes would not state a postulate but would F/N, be VGI’s and have “the feeling of certainty” that I was done with the process. After one of those times, in the session that followed, the C/S had the auditor show me a reference that had to do with postulates being the milestones of case gain (something to that effect). And of course I got the message that I was not doing it right and apparently not getting case gain! That particular C/S must have been rotely applying “F/N, cog, VGIs” because no other C/S seemed to have a problem with it (this wasn’t NED, btw). Anyhow, I managed to push it away until you just now reminded me of it. Thanks for the right indication! 🙂

  • vinaire  On December 1, 2013 at 7:30 AM

    Mark, I used the E-meter as a Word Clearer and Admin Cramming Officer. I found its use to be limited. I could get deeper and considerably more wins from Method 7, 9 and 6 word clearing than Method 4. I was inherently using mindfulness and applying the following (supposedly squirrel) procedure.

    TRAINING: Looking at Knowledge

    I am quite skilled at using the e-meter, but I am also quite skilled at “check out”. I found that I could locate MUs with “check outs” (which I used in conjunction with M7, M9 and M6) that M4 failed to locate. Meter reacts to inconsistencies that a person is vaguely aware of. It does not react to all misunderstoods. Similarly, in auditing, the meter reacts to inconsistencies that a person is vaguely aware of. It does not react to all case factors that need to be straightened out. If you just go by the e-meter you will miss a lot. Hubbard talked out using other pc indicators too, and that is what I did when using “check outs.” That is where mindfulness came in.

    Hubbard wanted to develop a technology, where a person does not have to be an expert in a subject to handle MUs of another in that subject. The technology of “check out” does require that a person be knowledgeable. That is why this technology did not get emphasized.

    But the subject of inconsistencies is an interesting one. The indicator of MU is a vague sense of inconsistency. If that sense of inconsistency is not there then that trail of MU is lost. M6 word clearing sort of addressed this limitation by getting the person to look at and define key concepts. The “check outs” also addressed this limitation but it required a knowledgeable person. Only if one could develop a system that helped bring inconsistencies into awareness without requiring one to be an expert.

    The answer was already there in the logics. It was comparison of two data to determine consistency or inconsistency. An explicit method to discover inconsistencies was then added to come up with TRAINING: Looking at Knowledge.

    The limitation of meter is that it only acts on a vague sense of inconsistency, and if that sense is not there then it would not react.

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    • vinaire  On December 1, 2013 at 7:37 AM

      The Church is trying to increase the sensitivity of the E-meter, but that would not solve the problem of a person not being aware of inconsistencies in the first place.

      • Chris Thompson  On December 1, 2013 at 2:21 PM

        Like many types of training in many different technologies, It can take a lot of practice to become proficient to know what to look for when using mindfulness, meditation or other types of auditing.

        • vinaire  On December 1, 2013 at 2:24 PM

          I think that the following procedure will take care of that, but we may have to tweak it a bit more.

          Mindful Subject Clearing

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        • Chris Thompson  On December 1, 2013 at 3:33 PM

          Still I have thousands of hours of study under my belt to become the master you see before you today! haha (No really, it takes a long time to learn words.)

    • vinaire  On December 1, 2013 at 7:43 AM

      Besides, when a person knows the technology of inconsistency, he can always locate an inconsistency without dependency on an e-meter.

      Mindfulness is an important element of the technology of detecting inconsistencies. When mindfulness is developed, one needn’t be dependent on the e-meter.

      This is where KHTK is going. It will make a grass-roots movement possible, where Scientology has unfortunately failed.

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    • vinaire  On December 1, 2013 at 7:49 AM

      The reasons for failure of Scientology lie in

      (1) Its greed for money and security
      (2) Its greed for individual power and status, and
      (3) Its fear of criticism.

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      • Chris Thompson  On December 1, 2013 at 2:24 PM

        In other words, selfishness and exploitation beginning with the Founder, L. Ron Hubbard, are the reasons for its failure as a mental health success.

  • MarkNR  On December 8, 2013 at 2:17 AM

    What…….No comments on Continuous Nuclear Fusion. The one part that I’m not sure of is the ignition system. It seemed simple at the time, but the simple arc may have been an RF arc at a particular freq.
    Mark

    • 2ndxmr  On December 8, 2013 at 11:03 AM

      Your description looked pretty good. You are probably right about the ignition arc being RF.

      I imagine the electricity they pulled out came from the electrons of the plasma.

  • 2ndxmr  On December 9, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    @MarkNR

    Mark:” At the reaction point, the field was modified with combinations of resonant frequencies, harmonics of the vibrations of the subatomic particle vibrations. When the temperature and compression and frequencies were correct, Fuel was injected and ignited with a simple arc. The field was such a shape that most of the heat was pulled forward into a heat exchange chamber.”

    I can’t tell from your description here whether the fuel was pre-conditioned (heated by frequencies) prior to injecting it or you just mis-worded it a bit. I would expect the compression and heating to near ignition temperature to all be done in the magnetic torus.

    Was the heat exchange chamber a section of the torus?

    Was the heat transferred by kinetic transfer? If so, do you recall the transfer material or medium. Back in the ’60s they were playing around with the idea of a liquid lithium heat absorber but I never got the idea back then that they were trying for kinetic transfer. The fusion products would probably be too energetic to be used for direct kinetic transfer in anything Earth physicists have dreamed up so far.

    Was there any EM in the IR range or was the EM all just gamma? Was the gamma just absorbed in shielding or was its energy also transferred by some means into a heat product?

    Was a section of the torus used to bleed off the reaction products to keep from contaminating the fresh reactants?

    • MarkNR  On December 9, 2013 at 10:20 PM

      Hello 2nd, good to speak to you again. Sorry my description wasn’t to precise. I was more of a technician at the time. I had to go in and replace the injector nozzle and ignitor tips from time to time. The chamber was large enough to crawl through a port and work comfortably. The ignitor tips were retractable but would deteriorate on the surface anyway after a time. The injector nozzle had to remain fairly close to the ‘flame’ and would corrode after a while. The chamber was thoroughly washed before service but time was still limited due to residual radiation. The fuel was heated and compressed to plasma prior to final injection in the primary section of the mag field. It was there that the excess electrons were tapped off. There was additional electricity that was drained from the main chamber also. As the protons broke apart and re-formed, there was a soup of more primary particles released.
      The amount of fuel was very tiny, along the lines of grams per hour, and created a small but very hot ‘flame at the reaction point. The heat was simply collected from the chamber walls and the heat transfer was basically through em radiation. IR, light. X and gamma rays. The waste gas was vacuumed off but was a very tiny amount. The chamber was very heavy to absorb the radiation and was cooled by liquid metal, such as mercury and some heating was direct to the coolant via short wavelength radiation. There was additional shielding on the outside surface of the reactor. It took many hours to cool down for service during shutdown to prevent damage. The inside of the chamber had to be scrubbed and resurfaced from time to time.
      The reaction was self sustaining since the plasma, while being compressed with a resonating field would come in contact with the reaction at extremely high temps and would, itself fuse. The field was configured in such a way that the reaction, or ‘flame’ was drawn into the chamber away from the injector and magnets. Everything had to be re-aligned after a service but was done in the control booth.
      Operating the reactor was as much an art as a science. As the reaction was throttled up and down, and as interior temps varied, compression and frequency had to be adjusted. Much adjustment was automatic, but further adjustment was done by the operator as the sound and ‘feel’ of the reaction changed. Explosion was impossible since the fuel simply would not react until it reached the frequency portion of the field.
      Hope this answers some of your questions. Like I said, I don’t have all the details, but this is a good start.
      PS, The designers didn’t have all the answers either.
      Mark

      • 2ndxmr  On December 10, 2013 at 1:14 AM

        @Mark
        Thanks for the extra data. Your description certainly matches the requirements for operation that have been considered in our time and also the expected maintenance points that would be expected but have never been discussed in literature, to my knowledge.

        When I was younger I had a very keen interest in this very area and studied as much info as I could find, within the limits of my math and physics knowledge. I have previously wondered why none of the earlier Earth attempts had not tried to form an electron-stripped plasma prior to injecting it into the torus, considering the extra difficulties forming the soup plasma engendered within the torus.

        I was surprised by your comment of electrons being a reaction product of the fusion process, considering the primary components of your light baryon nuclei are going to be up and down quarks. A positron might have been the electron-equivalent product. Perhaps I am wrong in expecting deuterium and tritium as the primary reactants. Do you think they used heavier nuclei?

        • MarkNR  On December 10, 2013 at 6:11 PM

          Thanks Chris, 2nd.
          The fuel was heated and compressed as it went through from the inlet of the mag field to the reaction point. Most of the fuel was hydrogen (just protons as a plasma) but I don’t recall if it was doped with other elements to enhance the reaction. To much neutron radiation is hard on the equipment and leaves a lot of residual radiation from creating isotopes of other materials.
          The basis of this article was that of frequencies and harmonies in their use in science is very much behind other studies. If you put your hand near the reaction point and the mags got turned on, your hand would explode into jello. The freqs. were all ultrasonic, some in the giga or terahertz range, but there were false multiples (I forget the word, harmonics perhaps) created in the machine that made the place very noisy.
          As earlier, “If you played it the right tune, it would sing.”
          Mark

        • Chris Thompson  On December 10, 2013 at 7:06 PM

          I would love to study waves such as you describe with an eye to shaking a water molecule apart using fewer kW than it currently requires. Hydrogen would make a wonderful combustible and clean fuel if we could obtain cheap hydrogen.

        • MarkNR  On December 11, 2013 at 8:32 AM

          Currently, pebble bed reactors could be built much more cheaply than present reactors, they cannot melt down, there is no release of fuel under any condition short of being bombed, and spent fuel is processed and re used. With cheap electricity, comes the possibility of many cheap clean fuels. All the high level nuclear waste in the U.S. could be placed on one football field 50-100 ft. high.
          Mark

        • Chris Thompson  On December 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM

          Standard electrolysis overmatches the water molecule’s bonding force-for-force to break it apart. Possibly there is another innovative way to “tease” this bond to let go requiring a fraction of the kW power that extant physics requires. On the other hand, many truly smart people have been on this for decades and they must have exhausted looking at ways to do this, haven’t they? Nuclear submarines need lots of oxygen so apply standard electrolysis to the problem to achieve their result. These engineers have obviously looked at this from many angles.

        • MarkNR  On December 11, 2013 at 9:40 PM

          Chria:
          Vibrations, frequencies, wavelengths are one of the basic building blocks of these universes. It’s effects on MEST have not been fully researched. Winged flight is barely 100 yrs. old.
          A friend once told me that matching and conflicting frequencies with celestial bodies was the primary means of interstellar flight. That the ‘engines were made up of irregular pipes, like sausage links, with liquid metal pumped through them to produce very high energy sound. I personally don’t recall, but I do recall that the ships were propelled by something other than action reaction. Frequencies is One group of sciences that is lagging behind electronics and chemistry here on this world. There are others. The art and science of music would well be availed by the physicist.
          Mark

        • Chris Thompson  On December 11, 2013 at 9:52 PM

          Thanks Mark. Action-reaction is only natural means of producing motion that we observe. Yet we see very little. Hubbard proposed a “time-drive” engine for the “Tug One” space ship in MISSION EARTH that belonged to Jetero Heller. This was not an action-reaction engine. My memory is not too good since it has been almost 30 years since I read that series.

        • MarkNR  On December 11, 2013 at 10:10 PM

          Chris:
          I was thinking in a little bit longer time frame than 30 yrs.
          Ron was a very creative writer. One of my favorite ‘inventions’ was the annealing knife. In one mode it cuts, in the other mode it bonded things together. When in annealing mode, if stroked across a surface, it would make that surface electrically conductive along the line it was passed. Clever.
          Mark

        • Chris Thompson  On December 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM

          I loved that tool too. I loved how to disguise the working circuit board, they printed a fake one over the top of the real working one to hide the “transporter” technology. That annealing knife might have been a copy of a pipeline tool that I worked with many years ago that used a big “hook” called a sub-soiler that hooked up behind a D6 Caterpillar and ripped a trench in the ground feeding a coil of polyethylene pipe or roll of power cable or telephone cable and just buried it in the ground with a single pass. Good for the open plains and soft soil.

        • MarkNR  On December 11, 2013 at 10:31 PM

          Chris:
          I have used that machine, only behind a tractor to bury electrical cables on long runs such as highway lighting. It would cut, rather than dig, a narrow trench and feed the pre-filled pipe at the same time. Saved a hell of a lot of time and expense.
          Mark

        • Chris Thompson  On December 11, 2013 at 11:32 PM

          Cool! I love big equipment. You see what I mean, the parallel idea to the annealing knife from the story?

          I loved MISSION EARTH because I thought better than his scientology works that the Sci Fi, he felt and wrote what was on his mind, explained his reasons for the fake history, and how he saw the people that he gathered to him, like it was an outlet for him or something. etc. It made him more real and human, it made me think that he wanted me to know who he was and how he viewed his failures as big. I’ve mentioned this idea about MISSION EARTH before but it wasn’t well received. I think I liked that series better than other people did. And I liked it better than BATTLEFIELD EARTH. It came across less grandiose and megalomaniac, more real, less paranoid than BATTLEFIELD EARTH.

        • MarkNR  On December 11, 2013 at 10:38 PM

          D6 is a big ass cat. As an Electrical Engineer I found I couldn’t sit in an office all day, so I worked at an engineered wood plant for many years where I was out among the machines half the time. I have done electrical work for many years also. I like machines, I believe I explained one of the reasons why in an earlier comment.
          Mark

        • 2ndxmr  On December 12, 2013 at 12:51 AM

          @Mark, Chris:

          As I recall, Tug One was driven by the “Will be, Was” engine. That engine embodies a very interesting concept in that it moved space: instead of moving the Tug through space, it just moved space. (Just!)

          My own experiments with space tends to make me think Ron was either close or right on with that point.

          An observation is that to a marked degree space acts like a medium (like water is a medium) and easily “carries” EM waves. The idea of space being a medium is actually now a pretty much accepted scientific idea.

          What is the form of the medium?

          It may well be that space is a very, very high frequency RF field on it s own. The reasoning here is that it seems to “carry” the EM frequencies (RF) that we are used to (like light) just like a broadcast TV channel carries its lower frequency information (audio and video).

          What we are talking about here is termed modulation. Modulation is how sound is transferred in air, and how a radio signal is transmitted in space. The implication here is that a radio or TV channel is modulating the higher frequency of space and space acts as sort of a wire to bring the signal to a receiver.

          Getting back to a space drive, if we could create an RF signal that was at the frequency of space, then we might be creating a form of space. I say a “form of space” because I expect space in actually a very complex set of frequencies, angles and polarizations – things which we are becoming increasingly familiar with and could describe mathematically to the Nth degree.

          But if we understood the exact frequencies and so forth of space, and if we could generate them (that is a ways away!) with enough power to totally create a local space around an object, we might be very close to the concept of moving space.

      • Chris Thompson  On December 10, 2013 at 10:21 AM

        This is a really interesting and well written post!

    • MarkNR  On December 9, 2013 at 10:40 PM

      Oh, 2nd, also:
      The mag field was more like a big loaf of bread with a hole through the middle horizontally. It could be described as a long box of big donuts squashed together, but with all the covers and equipment, it didn’t look that way. This memory is from this universe within the last couple hundred million years so the rules of physics were the same as they are here and now.
      Mark

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