KHTK Axiom #0: The Absolute (old)


June 26, 2014: This essay is superseded by KHTK Postulates for Metaphysics – Part 1


KHTK Axiom #0: The Absolute is unknowable. You cannot pin it down.


If you try to pin it down you get inconsistency and curiosity.

Oscar And Visitor


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  • MarkNR  On November 8, 2013 at 6:17 PM


    • Chris Thompson  On November 8, 2013 at 6:44 PM

      The genius and highly successful work of both Kurt Godel and of Werner Heisenberg support this statement.

      • MarkNR  On November 8, 2013 at 7:34 PM

        Never been much for authority figures. I wrote a paper on an era of whole track that delineates this. It has everything to do with games universes and ‘having to obey the rules’. If you break the rules, you get kicked out or worse. in the penalty box for a few years. Not getting caught and authority have a lot to do with this area. I discovered, this week, exactly why I got my last divorce. We had quite a talk last night. Self discovery is becoming really fun.

        • Chris Thompson  On November 8, 2013 at 7:38 PM

          It’s not about authority but results.

        • MarkNR  On November 8, 2013 at 7:55 PM

          It may be ‘interesting’ or entertaining, but I found what I’ve been looking for for two weeks. Went through a lot of emotions. There were lots of absolutes back then, but also lots of enforced unknowables. Now, playing any game can be fun and free, in fact, it always could if I’d let it.
          Thanks guys, many of the things you all mentioned helped.

        • MarkNR  On November 8, 2013 at 7:59 PM

          “It’s not about authority but results.”


        • vinaire  On November 8, 2013 at 8:00 PM

          We don’t live in Hubbard’s universe any more! KHTK is the antidote for the punishment complex.

        • MarkNR  On November 8, 2013 at 8:25 PM

          As Chris would say, “It’s not about authority but results.”
          Hubbard never mentioned this group of considerations and how they tie together. His was one universe, there are many. I’m chipping away at mine, little by little. This is not the perfect venue for such a story, but sometimes I just need to talk. You guys are more open to thoughts about of the relationship between philosophy and physics.

        • vinaire  On November 8, 2013 at 10:02 PM

          Mark, I would like to hear your story, especially about the puzzling things that you have encountered.

        • MarkNR  On November 12, 2013 at 3:38 AM

          Which puzzling things do you refer. None of my observations are puzzling to me but are sometimes poorly explained by me. I don’t recall all the rules of this universe, but I do recall previous universes where the laws were different. It was usually a small group of individuals who would make the rules and then invite others to join. Occasionally a change would be made when enough individuals would demand it. A universe being an area which HAS NO SPACIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH ANOTHER AREA.
          A lot of things have occurred over my existence, some fun, some not so fun. One thing I have discovered is that when I spent a lot of time and effort into making a complex environment, I considered it quite an accomplishment, and sometimes that accomplishment and added complexities was used by a few others to hold my attention and interiorize me. The earliest implants were not violent but were tricks to get your agreement. Done often over a very long period of time, the agreements become ‘the way things are.’
          I will try to avoid assumptions, but sometimes they sneak in when there is hidden data.

        • Chris Thompson  On November 8, 2013 at 11:19 PM

          I am enjoying your ideas. Please continue to feel free to write here.

  • vinaire  On November 8, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    Of course, I am talking about the absolutest absolute and not some relative absolute.

  • Chris Thompson  On November 8, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Thank you Vinay.

  • vinaire  On November 8, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    I have finally come the whole circle now. I shall be starting all over again.

  • Chris Thompson  On November 8, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    hahaha, It might seem that way but if you look closely you might find the route you travelled has been recursive and seems familiar because the spot we repeatedly find ourselves in is self-similar yet never identical.

  • vinaire  On November 8, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    We are dealing with thought experiments here. What is a thought experiment?

    A thought experiment = observing what remains after removing known inconsistencies.

    An assumption is a form of inconsistency because it is an additive.

  • vinaire  On November 12, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    The closest we can come to contemplating the absolute is to use the reference point of the center of this universe as having no motion.

    But how do we determine the center of this universe?


    • Elizabeth Hamre  On November 27, 2013 at 12:41 PM

      The center of the Universe is where the first light was created from collision of free floating element and each Entity has to find that first creation for self because to that light that being become anchored and that body of light was the very first of many.
      Being anchored to that ”light body” the saying was coined from ”I AM THE LIGHT” and saintly entities could still project that light since they are in it still and so is every body else.
      Entity ADMIRED that light but the word the meaning what admiration is was of course not born but much much later.

  • vinaire  On April 6, 2020 at 8:42 PM

    I am compiling KHTK postulates now in which all these old KHTH axioms are going to be absorbed.

    “Not only the dimension points, but the dimensions of this universe also, are relative and not absolute.”

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