The Factors of Unknowable

This is an effort to go as deep as possible into the Unknowable using the Vedic process “neti, neti.”

The most fundamental starting factor:

(1) There is observation (because this is an observation being registered).

Phenomena:

(2) There are things to be observed.

(3) These things are being manifested and unmanifested.

(4) A manifestation begins, continues, and then ends.

Manifestations:

(5) The universe is a manifestation that is continuing.

(6) There are sub-manifestations to this universe that begin, continue, end.

(7)  Manifestations may come and go, but the manifesting continues.

Existence and Time:

(8) It is the property of manifesting, which is known as existence.

(9) It means that something or other continues to be manifested.

(10) Thus, existence provides the idea of Time.

Form:

(11) A manifestation can be observed only because of its form.

(12) The form of a manifestation can be physical, such as, rocks, trees, chair, molecules, atoms, light and electromagnetic waves.

(13) The form of a manifestation can also be mental, such as, visualization of physical forms, thoughts, evaluations, conclusions, considerations and speculations.

Dimensions:

(14) The form of a manifestation has finite extents.

(15) It is the property of extents, which is perceived as dimensions.

(16) It means that something or other continues to be extended.

Space:

(17) These dimensions provide the idea of space.

(18) Physical dimensions provide the idea of physical space.

(19) Mental dimensions provide the idea of mental space.

Motion:

(20) As these extents reach out and withdraw there is change.

(21) It is the property of change, which is perceived as motion.

(22) It means that something or other continues to move.

Energy:

(23) This motion provides the idea of energy.

(24) Physical motion provides the idea of physical energy.

(25) Mental motion provides the idea of mental energy.

Patterns:

(26) Motion of extents may follow certain fixed patterns.

(27) It is the property of fixidity, which is perceived as patterns.

(28) It means that some pattern or other continues to be exhibited.

Matter:

(29) These patterns provides the idea of matter.

(30) Physical patterns provides the idea of physical matter.

(31) Mental patterns provides the idea of mental matter.

The Universe of Manifestation:

(32) The Universe of manifestation is made up of time, space, energy, and matter.

(33) Research into manifestations is continuing through physical and mental sciences.

Awareness:

(34) There is observation, so there is also the ability to observe.

(35) It is the ability to observe, which is recognized as awareness.

(36) Awareness continues as long as there is something to be aware of.

Perception:

(37) Thus, there is the ability to assess what is there.

(38) It is the ability to assess, which is recognized as perception.

(39) Perception continues as long as there is something to perceive.

Consideration:

(40) Thus, there is the ability to visualize what is assessed to be there.

(41) It is the ability to visualize, which is recognized as consideration.

(42) Consideration continues as long as there is something to consider.

The Universe of Consideration:

(43) The Universe of Consideration is made up of the awareness, perception and consideration of existence, form, motion and pattern.

(44) Research into manifestations and underlying considerations is continuing, primarily, by examining their consistency and inconsistency through mathematics.

Life and Beingness:

(45) It is the presence of abilities, which is perceived as life.

(46) These abilities are manifested  just like other things are manifested.

(47) It is the manifesting of abilities that we may call Beingness.

The universe:

(48) Thus, there are manifestations in terms of existence and beingness.

(49) Thus, there is a universe, which is aware of itself on the whole.

(50) There are considerations of existing and not existing.

(51) There are considerations of static and kinetic.

(52) There are considerations of cause and effect.

(53) What is beyond these considerations may only be speculated upon.

(54) The research into Unknowable thus continues.

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NOTES: Alfred North Whitehead said: “All systematic thought must start from  presuppositions.” The factors above start from what is observable. These may be considered to be presuppositions.

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  • marildi  On November 13, 2011 at 1:35 PM

    “(1) There is observation (because this is an observation being made.”

    The definition that fits the way “observation” is used (in both places) would have to be “a remark or statement based on what one has observed,” rather than the definition having to do with perceiving. Otherwise, you would be saying “There is perception because this is a perception.” So is the former actually what you mean to say – i.e. “There is remark [based on what has been observed] (because this is a remark being made).”

    I ask this because you normally emphasize perception rather than remarks about it.

    • vinaire  On November 13, 2011 at 2:07 PM

      Of course. This whole thing is recursive. Let me get all the ideas down on paper first and then we’ll refine them.

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      • marildi  On November 13, 2011 at 2:18 PM

        I didn’t duplicate your reply. “Of course” refers to what? And how does “recursive” apply?

        I thought you wanted input already, but do you want to do some refining first?

    • vinaire  On November 13, 2011 at 4:14 PM

      I changed Factor # 1 to

      (1) There is observation (because this is an observation being recorded).

      .

      • marildi  On November 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM

        Aha – like an observation being registered (registering)?

    • vinaire  On November 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM

      OK, I changed Factor # 1 to

      (1) There is observation (because this is an observation being registered).

      .

      • marildi  On November 13, 2011 at 5:22 PM

        Good idea – eliminates any possible confusion.

        My assessment of Factor 1? Descartes couldn’t do better. 😀

      • vinaire  On November 13, 2011 at 6:04 PM

        🙂

  • marildi  On November 13, 2011 at 6:17 PM

    I follow the rest of them just fine. One question: Besides time and space, is beingness also associated with energy and/or matter?

    • vinaire  On November 13, 2011 at 7:02 PM

      I see energy as a condensation of space. I see matter as condensation of energy. Time seems to bring about that condensation.

      Space-Energy-Matter seem to be gradients on the same scale. Time seems to be the measure of gradient on that scale.

      Beingness seems to have the gradients of Space-Energy-Matter somehow brought about by association with Time.

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      • marildi  On November 13, 2011 at 7:42 PM

        Does beingness mean the state or condition or manifestation of being? And does it also include that state or condition or manifestation as related to a being?

      • vinaire  On November 13, 2011 at 9:38 PM

        In my view, anything that is being is “a being”. Hence, any manifestation is “a being.”

        Beingness would be manifestingness or existingness. It is an abstract noun. It denotes the quality or state of being or existing. See

        http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/being

        The word “being” is also used for a “living thing” as opposed to a “non-living” thing. In that case, beingness may refer to the aliveness of that thing.

      • marildi  On November 14, 2011 at 3:20 AM

        Vin, here is a hard-to-find definition from Random House Webster’s for “-ness: “suffix…denoting quality and state (and often, by extension, SOMETHING [my caps] exemplifying a quality or state).”

        In factor #12, you specifically talk about “SOMETHING observed” and I believe that the “something” concept for the word “manifestingness” fits in 7 & 8. Therefore, your sub-heading before 5 should say “Manifestations” (with the “s”) as that section concerns “somethings” – rather than “a being manifested” (which the word “Manifestation” implies without the article or plurality).

        On 9, do you mean the “quality or state” concept? Let me know and I will know how to critique what follows. (Btw, did I tell you I have tutored English, done proofreading and light editing work, as well as having been a word clear for several years? That’s why I’m being so presumptuous. ;-))

      • vinaire  On November 14, 2011 at 7:02 AM

        Well, well, well…, then you are just the one who I need. 🙂

        On 9, I do mean the “quality or state” concept. The form of beingness may change but the beingness continues.

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      • marildi  On November 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM

        🙂

        Cool on 9. So I’m okay up to the Form section. On 14 you have “A” (manifestation) and you should also have that article on 15 and 16, like so:

        (15) The form of a manifestation… (Also fix the typo here on “physical”.)

        (16) The form of a manifestation…

      • marildi  On November 14, 2011 at 3:35 PM

        A bit more:

        On 17, don’t you want to say “The” (form if a,,,), rather than “A” (form of a…)?

        One more thing on 9. You might want to add in parentheses something like one of the following, since prior to 9 you were speaking of the “something.” And besides, it would make it clearer for the reader and preclude a blow. 😉

        (9) Manifestingness (the quality or state of any manifestation)
        (9) Manifestingness (the quality of any manifestation)
        (9) Manifestingness (the state of any manifestation)
        .

        p.s. Yes, I probably am just who you need. You must have good karma.

      • marildi  On November 14, 2011 at 5:25 PM

        Or one of these:

        (9) Manifestingness (the quality or state of being manifested)
        (9) Manifestingness (the quality of being manifested)
        (9) Manifestingness (the state of being manifested)
        .

    • vinaire  On November 13, 2011 at 7:12 PM

      It seems that the basic dimensions of beingness are TIME and FORM.

      And the FORM has gradients of space, energy, matter as a result of interaction with time.

      It reminds of the gradients of equations in mathematics as they go from linearity to quadratic to cubic (increasing degrees of the independent variable).

      Here TIME seems to be the independent variable and FORM the dependent variable. In other words,

      form = f (time)
      space = linear function of time
      energy = quadratic function of time
      matter = cubic and higher functions of time

      Just thinking out of the box here.

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