Application of Mindful Discussion

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Reference: Mindful Discussion

If you want to help somebody, you may apply the method of mindful discussion as follows:

(1) Encourage the person to do mindfulness exercises per The 12 Aspects of Mindfulness. Leave it to the person to do these exercises. Do not insist.

(2) In your conversations with the person, listen to his (or her) concerns carefully. Try to understand where he (or she) is coming from. The person may or may not know his (or her) unwanted condition.

(3) At first focus on the visible confusions the person has. He may even be aware of those confusions and want to discuss them with you. Or, he may indirectly indicate his confusions to you through

• The area where his attention dwells most of the time.
• The area when talked about, disperses his attention.
• The area when talked about, lessens his awareness.
• How the person thinks, behaves or dramatizes.
• How the person reacts to things in the environment.

(4) Be aware of such confusions. Discuss and help resolve them as and when the opportunity arises. Start by taking up the most obvious inconsistency. (See Inconsistency in KHTK).

(5) Discussion of one inconsistency may bring another consistency to view. Keep discussing such inconsistencies to make sense out of them. Do not continue with something that the person does not want to discuss. He is simply not ready for it.

(6) Simply take up another confusion related to his present concern and find an inconsistency that he is willing to discuss. In short, take up the inconsistency that the person is most willing to discuss at any time. The purpose of such discussion would be to make sense out of what is puzzling.

(7) When discussing, always apply The 12 Aspects of Mindfulness. Do not let the person talk endlessly. Spot the inconsistency in what he is saying and gently question him about it saying that you don’t understand it.

(8) When the person reacts to something you said and starts to dramatize, keep in mind that you are looking at some confusion. Gently follow up on the inconsistency that you now see. Just tell him what you don’t understand in a way that is acceptable to him.

(9) Many a times you may find that something is misunderstood by that person. You both can then consult a third party explanation in a dictionary, encyclopedia or on Internet to resolve that misunderstanding.

(10) All this time, always be aware of his basic concerns, and the possible unwanted condition. Whenever possible, get him to explain these things briefly, without going into lengthy explanations. Now and then you may ask him what his attention is on.

(11) When a specific unwanted condition becomes visible, see if you can help locate the source of that condition. You want to find out, “When did the unwanted condition start?” The source of his condition does not have to be a painful experience. It could be some fixed idea.

(12) If some incident comes up, have the person look over it thoroughly. No need for him to tell you the details. Just make sure that he looks at all possible data with nothing suppressed or resisted. See Cleaning up Traumas.

(13) If the incident contains pain and unconsciousness, have the person go through it many times until no new details are emerging. The person does not have to vocalize every detail.

(14) The unwanted condition could have started during this incident, or in some earlier similar incident. It could be an entirely different incident all together. Just make sure that the incident is looked at thoroughly.

(15) Keep discussing the unwanted condition and how it started. More incidents may come up. If the person cannot access the beginning, then other stuff may be stacked on it. Follow what comes up naturally. If more confusions come up then handle them as above. You may get to the exact point of beginning eventually.

(16) When the beginning of the unwanted condition is found, keep narrowing it down to an exact point. Get whatever is suppressed around the area of beginning Help purge the emotions, impulses, thoughts, etc. that are still lingering from that point. See Handling Unwanted Condition.

(17) Whether there is an exact beginning or not, we are targeting the resolution of circuits (logical associations among definitions) in the mind, which trigger more easily than rational associations.

(18) Keep going back to the basic concern and coming forward to understand some inconsistency. Follow the trail of inconsistencies and exhaust it as far as you can.

(19) After going back and forth many times, hopefully you’ll get to the bottom of the unwanted condition. The person will eventually thank you for all your work when his unwanted condition is gone.

(20) If the person is not able to participate in mindful discussion then work with him on the appropriate exercise per Mindfulness Therapy.

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  • vinaire  On September 9, 2014 at 5:19 AM

    One doesn’t need to set up a session to help a person handle confusions.

    Besides a confusion could just be there for all participants. So by helping another resolve a confusion, one is helping oneself too. 🙂

  • vinaire  On September 9, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    I am studying Nietzsche from Wikipedia.

    [His philosophy] embraces the realities of the world in which we live over the idea of a world beyond.

    This is consistent with the model of universe being the “universe of awareness”. It contains all the realities. We are simply not aware of what is beyond.

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    It further champions the creative powers of the individual to strive beyond social, cultural, and moral contexts.

    KHTK model of the individual is a multi-dimensional matrix of “definitions and logics” that is aware of itself. This matrix is capable of evening out all its inconsistencies if allowed to do so. Such inconsistencies may be forced in place by social, cultural, and moral contexts.
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    • vinaire  On September 10, 2014 at 8:19 AM

      “His ideas of individual overcoming and transcendence beyond structure and context have had a profound impact… “

      An individual can obtain an ideal matrix structure by levelling all inconsistencies within it. To move beyond this point would require fully comprehending that structure of definitions and logics.

      • Chris Thompson  On September 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM

        One more thing to consider may be my assumption expanding Nature of both spacetime and of Man’s consciousness. To begin with, is my assumption correct? If correct, then our set or subset can be expanding as well?

        • vinaire  On September 10, 2014 at 8:41 AM

          I see spacetime as dimensions of consciousness. They measure consciousness. Therefore, expanding spacetime would imply expanding consciousness.

          In your view, how would consciousness expand?

        • Chris Thompson  On September 10, 2014 at 9:15 AM

          I believe that universal processes provide for a type of iteration which provides the instructions for this expansion engine to follow. I might make that into a more understandable statement if I knew what the hell I was talking about.

        • vinaire  On September 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM

          The only factors that may affect consciousness are frequency, wave-length, and period. Seconday factors will be harmonics and combinations of different harmonics.

          I am looking at consciousness as a wave.

    • vinaire  On September 10, 2014 at 8:56 AM

      “Will to power: the main driving force in humans: achievement, ambition, the striving to reach the highest possible position in life.”

      Underlying the will to power seems to be the desire to know.

  • vinaire  On September 10, 2014 at 10:46 AM

    Eternal recurrence is a concept that the universe has been recurring, and will continue to recur, in a self-similar form an infinite number of times across infinite time or space.

    “Whoever thou mayest be, beloved stranger, whom I meet here for the first time, avail thyself of this happy hour and of the stillness around us, and above us, and let me tell thee something of the thought which has suddenly risen before me like a star which would fain shed down its rays upon thee and every one, as befits the nature of light. – Fellow man! Your whole life, like a sandglass, will always be reversed and will ever run out again, – a long minute of time will elapse until all those conditions out of which you were evolved return in the wheel of the cosmic process. And then you will find every pain and every pleasure, every friend and every enemy, every hope and every error, every blade of grass and every ray of sunshine once more, and the whole fabric of things which make up your life. This ring in which you are but a grain will glitter afresh forever. And in every one of these cycles of human life there will be one hour where, for the first time one man, and then many, will perceive the mighty thought of the eternal recurrence of all things:- and for mankind this is always the hour of Noon”. ~ Nietzsche

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    Maybe it is some fundamental awareness that travels again and again over some structure that is simply there.

  • vinaire  On September 10, 2014 at 1:09 PM

    The symbol of the Übermensch also alludes to Nietzsche’s notions of “self-mastery”, “self-cultivation”, “self-direction”, and “self-overcoming”.

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    This will be coherency, consistency, smooth flow… it would be the whole thing controlling itself, and not some head controlling the rest of the body.

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    • vinaire  On September 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM

      Basically, Nietzsche is very dissatisfied with the current condition of man. and dreaming of the evolution from this state.

    • vinaire  On September 10, 2014 at 1:17 PM

      Nietzsche is looking for total coherency and consistency of man with nature.

    • vinaire  On September 10, 2014 at 1:27 PM

      Master morality values pride, strength, and nobility. It weighs actions on a scale of good or bad consequences.

      Slave morality values things like kindness, humility and sympathy. It weighs actions on a scale of good or evil intentions.

      Christian morality is closer to the “slave morality” and it sucks.

    • vinaire  On September 10, 2014 at 1:47 PM

      “This will be coherency, consistency, smooth flow… it would be the whole thing controlling itself, and not some head controlling the rest of the body.”

      I see the above as the definition of aesthetics.

    • vinaire  On September 10, 2014 at 1:51 PM

      “He continued to emphasize his philosophical concerns; generally, his intention was to show an alternative to repressive moral codes and to avert “nihilism” in all of its varied forms.”

      The above is a good summation of Nietzsche.